EV Efficiency

[Spektre]

Sparklebeard, I refused to do it for a while on principle, but let me just say that my life became much more serene once I added 'Energy Burglar' to my ignore list.

Now I only have to read someone else's response when they respond to his holier-than-thou condescending diatribes!

 

[srue]

Sparklebeard, I refused to do it for a while on principle, but let me just say that my life became much more serene once I added 'Energy Burglar' to my ignore list.

Now I only have to read someone else's response when they respond to his holier-than-thou condescending diatribes!

Same here. For those wondering how to add someone to their ignore list, here's a post detailing how to do it: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15258#p15258

Link to ignore JoulesThief in particular: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes&add=JoulesThief

Sometimes it's better to engage bullies, and sometimes it's better to ignore. In this case I've concluded ignoring (and the public shaming that accompanies this post) is the superior choice.

 

[manybees]

Sparklebeard, I refused to do it for a while on principle, but let me just say that my life became much more serene once I added 'Energy Burglar' to my ignore list.

Now I only have to read someone else's response when they respond to his holier-than-thou condescending diatribes!

Same here. For those wondering how to add someone to their ignore list, here's a post detailing how to do it: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15258#p15258

Link to ignore JoulesThief in particular: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes&add=JoulesThief

Sometimes it's better to engage bullies, and sometimes it's better to ignore. In this case I've concluded ignoring (and the public shaming that accompanies this post) is the superior choice.

Useful links. Guess I'm not alone. Wonder how many others on this board felt compelled to figure out how to ignore someone shortly after joining.

 

[Sparklebeard]

Didn't even realise this was an option. Thanks!

 

[JoulesThief]

Laughing about your public shaming. It's not working.

Like being at a libtard protest rally, someone gets on the PA and tells everyone what to chant, like sheep.

 

[f1geek]

Such discourse is probably caused by years of sucking in diesel fumes - every time humans breathe in more diesel exhaust it ups the odds of getting cancer and asthma, and I wouldn't be surprised if it lowers IQ, too. Sad. could be retired due to a brain addled by diesel fumes.

 

[JoulesThief]

Such discourse is probably caused by years of sucking in diesel fumes - every time humans breathe in more diesel exhaust it ups the odds of getting cancer and asthma, and I wouldn't be surprised if it lowers IQ, too. Sad. could be retired due to a brain addled by diesel fumes.

LOL, couldn't possibly be damaging, otherwise all those jet plane fumes you're living under in San Jose and SF would have affected you. Now let's talk about electric radiation and RF from cell phones and smart phones BBQ'ing your brains, while you talk on the phone. Kerosene, diesel, gas... CO2 NOx, don't tailgate, and you can lessen your exposure.

Any idea what the wavelength is going to be for 5G, and what it might do to the contents of your skull or reproductive system?

I like your "probable cause" line of reasoning. Profiling diesel drivers much, eh? You'd have a hard time buying groceries at the market, all the produce is trucked in by diesel. That must be killing you, knowing that? Fly anywhere on business or vacation much? Me too. Want to go on a cruise line to Alaska? Me too.

 

[zanzabar]

Sparklebeard, I refused to do it for a while on principle, but let me just say that my life became much more serene once I added 'Energy Burglar' to my ignore list.

Now I only have to read someone else's response when they respond to his holier-than-thou condescending diatribes!

Same here. For those wondering how to add someone to their ignore list, here's a post detailing how to do it: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15258#p15258

Link to ignore JoulesThief in particular: http://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes&add=JoulesThief

Sometimes it's better to engage bullies, and sometimes it's better to ignore. In this case I've concluded ignoring (and the public shaming that accompanies this post) is the superior choice.

Useful links. Guess I'm not alone. Wonder how many others on this board felt compelled to figure out how to ignore someone shortly after joining.

First day I joined this forum (~2 months ago) I realized I was going to have to put this guy on the ignore list. What a bunch of nonsense! Some of his posts have useful information, but the sheer amount of facepalming I've had to do while reading the rest of it has finally overwhelmed all of his useful info.

Thanks for the link!

 

[zanzabar]

But back to the original topic question, which, I think, was: when will EV efficiency become an important stat for car buyers? I think it just boils down to the comparison to the range of efficiency in gas/diesel vehicles.

The link sparklebeard posted is a good way to look at it. If you compare a fuel efficient gas car (33mpg) with a fuel thirsty one (19mpg) the difference in how much you spend on gas over 5 years is $6500! If you compare a relatively thirsty EV (90mpge) with a relatively efficient one (116mpge) the difference in how much you spend on electricity over 5 years is only $1000.

So, over 5 years the amount we're spending on electrons is probably minimally different between, for example, an EV that gets 5 miles per kwh, vs one that gets 3.

 

[f1geek]

I still would like an extra $1000 to put in the savings account - driving a less efficient car is fun (or driving the e-golf less efficiently is fun), but only you can decide how much it is worth.

 

[Verbruggan]

Moreover, the real world numbers of other e-Golf owners are seeing about a 5% reduction in battery charge capacity over 4 years. i.e. 1.25% annually.

hopes to be not added to the block list by anybody...

 

[JoulesThief]

First day I joined this forum (~2 months ago) I realized I was going to have to put this guy on the ignore list. What a bunch of nonsense! Some of his posts have useful information, but the sheer amount of facepalming I've had to do while reading the rest of it has finally overwhelmed all of his useful info.

A total of 8 posts and 2 months experience. Highly qualified! Your contributions are legendary. LMAO!

I've come to the realization that people that think they are saving the planet and want everyone else driving an electric car and try to be convincing here to others to get one too, are delusional. Same with all the Prius owners the past decade.

I don't waste my time telling people what they should think of other people's posts, or what they should do or not do with them. That's narcissistic behavior. Speak for yourself, instead of trying to influence others with your socialist engineering.

The car you get or buy should fulfill 95 to 98% of your y needs annually, the other 2 to 5% for longer trips, or more people or larger loads, figure out a better solution, or rent a car/truck/suv for those miles.

 

[NeilBlanchard]

Our 2017 e-Golf SE is averaging 5.6 miles / kWh over almost 2,000 miles. That is 4 drivers - we almost exclusively use D all the time. Coasting whenever you can is the most efficient way to drive.

 

[manybees]

Our 2017 e-Golf SE is averaging 5.6 miles / kWh over almost 2,000 miles. That is 4 drivers - we almost exclusively use D all the time. Coasting whenever you can is the most efficient way to drive.

Just curious. What temperature range and terrain do you typically drive in?

 

[JoulesThief]

Moreover, the real world numbers of other e-Golf owners are seeing about a 5% reduction in battery charge capacity over 4 years. i.e. 1.25% annually.

hopes to be not added to the block list by anybody...

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New my 2015 SEL saw 129 miles of range. Oct 6th it will be 4 years old. Current range shows 112 to 115 miles of range, on exact same route as I was driving it when new. Not quite 24k miles on the SEL e-Golf. YMMV, but I think I've lost more than 10% in 4 years.

 

[Verbruggan]

Moreover, the real world numbers of other e-Golf owners are seeing about a 5% reduction in battery charge capacity over 4 years. i.e. 1.25% annually.

hopes to be not added to the block list by anybody...

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New my 2015 SEL saw 129 miles of range. Oct 6th it will be 4 years old. Current range shows 112 to 115 miles of range, on exact same route as I was driving it when new. Not quite 24k miles on the SEL e-Golf. YMMV, but I think I've lost more than 10% in 4 years.

Great!

 

[JoulesThief]

Moreover, the real world numbers of other e-Golf owners are seeing about a 5% reduction in battery charge capacity over 4 years. i.e. 1.25% annually.

hopes to be not added to the block list by anybody...

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New my 2015 SEL saw 129 miles of range. Oct 6th it will be 4 years old. Current range shows 112 to 115 miles of range, on exact same route as I was driving it when new. Not quite 24k miles on the SEL e-Golf. YMMV, but I think I've lost more than 10% in 4 years.

Great!

What is your source of your "real world" numbers?

Some other input: https://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=877&hilit=battery+degradation

 

[Sparklebeard]

JT also charges up to nearly 100% every time so it would be expected to see faster degradation.

 

[JoulesThief]

JT also charges up to nearly 100% every time so it would be expected to see faster degradation.

Folks need to know and understand that what is a "full tank" on what looks like a gas gauge, and what most people around here call being "charged to 100%" is incorrect and a misnomer.

A full tank on a 24.2kWh battery seems to only have at most, maybe 21.8 to 22 kWh of battery charge, and is, in reality, about a 90 to 91% State of Charge, not 100%

VW isn't letting anyone charge their batteries to a full 100% State of Charge, or they'd be replacing batteries left and right under warranty repairs.

VW is a conservative company, I doubt very, very, very few batteries will ever be replaced under warranty for failing to meet their estimates for 8 years or 100,000 miles, which ever comes first

 

[Verbruggan]

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New my 2015 SEL saw 129 miles of range. Oct 6th it will be 4 years old. Current range shows 112 to 115 miles of range, on exact same route as I was driving it when new. Not quite 24k miles on the SEL e-Golf. YMMV, but I think I've lost more than 10% in 4 years.

Great!

What is your source of your "real world" numbers?

Some other input: https://www.myvwegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=877&hilit=battery+degradation

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